Nemo – “Ennead I” by Plotinus (4)

by richibi

Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 05:43:44 +0000
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The Latin “cogito ergo sum” is actually closer to the interpretation I had in mind at the beginning,”There are thoughts, therefore there is a thinker”. If you accept that as a valid argument, then you’re closer to accepting the existence of God. “There is creation, therefore there is a Creator”.

The Republic of Plato is not ruled by an autocrat, but by Reason and knowledge. Come to think of it, Plato should be hailed as the Father of Enlightenment. 🙂 I’ve written a post on the Republic too, if you like to discuss it further.

Plato’s theory of the nature of the universe in Timaeus encompasses both change and immutability, and Plotinus explains this in Ennead III.

 
 
“Cogito, ergo sum”, Nemo, I have to insist, is
not “There are thoughts“, as you argue, it is
“Cogito”, “I think”, “I grasp consciousness”,
“I perceive”, it is not an acknowledgment of
any more than its own consciousness, “there
are thoughts” is a further, and only peripheral,
application, thoughts themselves are entirely
speculative and without any firm basis but
conjecture 
 
this is a fundamental disagreement in our
discussion which needs to be recognized
and acknowledged, it doesn’t seem to have
been as yet 
 
“There is creation” therefore, in my opinion,
is presumptuous at best, though the
proposition seems manifestly, even 
irrationally, obvious, which has nothing to
do, nevertheless, with Descartes, and what
we’re discussing 
 
should you wish to discuss more intuitive
subjects, I’ll pass, cause faith, and oratory,  
have no basis in anything other than mere
seduction, the Greeks called it rhetoric and
sophistry
 
reason, of the Greeks, and of our epoch, is
still my essential arbiter, though my own
personal mystical devotion is ardent and
true 
 
it is however, my own personal mystical
devotion, merely evident and convincing
by example, not argument  
 
but I digress    
 
 
I’ll read your post on “The Republic“, a
treatise I’ve found even repulsive, I’ll read
again “Timaeus“, or as much of it as I can
again tolerate, and read your “Ennead III“,
or did Plotinus write three “Ennead”s, I 
hope to discover enlightenment
  
 
cheers  
 
Richard 
 
psst: o my god, he wrote Vl